Re: [sbis_l] Congressistas americanos querem parar os bonus para PEPs nos EuA: Interoperatbilidade julgada insuficientes

sábado, 13 de outubro de 2012
Bea, realmente esse tema é bastante complexo e não tem soluções
faceis. Porém eu verifiquei, não não vai haver o tutorial sobre CDA e
IHE no CBIS, mas vi que vai haver um sobre o arquitetura para
barramento SUS. No meu entendimento vai se apresentar, nesse tutorial,
os perfis funcionais IHE, o xds, mais especificamente, que usa o CDA
como uma das opções para troca de mensagens entre sistemas
heterogêneos, visando interoperabilidade sintática, não semântica.
Para interoperabilidade bidirecional de informações clínicas é
preciso mais do que mensagens, são precisos padrões de estrutura de
dados e terminologias, você mesmo sabe, como uma das envolvidas no
desenvolvimento da norma 14639.

Toda a discussão aqui se refere à interoperabilidade. È fato que
mensagens, mesmo com metadados, como no caso do perfil XDS do IHE, não
possibilitam o a interoperabilidade bidirecional entre sistemas
independentes se não existir um SLA entre os sistemas participantes,
como é o caso do TISS. Precisa haver, para isso, um padrão mandatório,
e nesses dias de itunes, androide, facebook e outras plataformas, eu
tendo a considerar que precisamos agora é são business patterns e
modelos de referência e deixar a comunidade desenvolver soluções
baseadas nesses modelos e padrões.

Vai haver no CBIS um tutorial focandoe modelagem de s informações
clínicas com vistas à interoperabilidade semântica, onde
apresentaremos os modelos de referência para trocas de informações
em saúde existentes, como CDA (HL7), CCR (ASTM) e arquétipos
(13606/openEHR) e a iniciativa CIMI. Convido os interessados a
participar!.

abs
Jussara Rötzsch
Md, MSc
Director, OpenEHR Foundation
Owner, Giant Global Graph ehealth Solutions




On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Beatriz de Faria Leão <bfleao@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jussara,
> O tema é complexo. Tb acho que o meaningful use tem problemas entretanto não
> concordo que o vilão seja o HL7 ou os perfis IHE.
> Muito antes pelo contrário.
> Os perfis IHe tem sido utilizados no mundo inteiro com grande sucesso, basta
> entrar na página do IHE Europe para se ter uma idéia.
> http://www.ihe-europe.net/. Os connecthaton são um grande sucesso e tem
> possibilitado troca de informação clínica entre diferentes parceiros. Na
> minha opinião a grande vantagem dos perfis é que tornam um modelo complexo
> com o do V3 simples e palatável através das guias de implementação que
> possibilitam que desenvolvedores, mesmo sem conhecer HL7v3 possam
> implementar a XML para a troca. Isto sem falar nos perfis IHE
> infraestrutura, blocos fundamentais de qualquer aplicação que busca a
> interoperabilidade pois implementam os serviços e a infra para auditoria,
> segurança, diretório de documentos, troca de documentos e imagens e
> PIXv3/PDQv3 sem o qual não se acha o paciente.
>
> No evento da SBIS haverá um tutorial sobre CDA e IHE que espero poderá
> esclarecer com maior profundidade estes temas.
> abraço,
> Beatriz
>
> On Oct 13, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Jussara wrote:
>
> Gente, me desculpem minha miopia e pouca capacidade de teclar. Eu nunca
> aprendi datilografia e me amparei nessas ferramentas de autocopletar. Coisas
> ridiculas aparecem. Mas, contraditoriamente isso so reforça meu argumento,
> que computadores são digitais e serea humanos analogicos. capturar a
> complexidade e dinamicidade do Mundo da Saude exige mais do que protocolos
> de comunicação,de padrōes tecnicos. Exige um consenso de linguagem
>
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>
> Em Oct 13, 2012, às 2:35 PM, Jussara <jussara.macedo@gmail.com> escreveu:
>
> Viu o que da um softwAre Americano traduzindo e um idiota brasileiro
> confiando no spell deles? Nonsense. Isso so reforca minha teoria
>
> Enviado via iPad
>
> Em Oct 13, 2012, às 2:33 PM, Jussara <jussara.macedo@gmail.com> escreveu:
>
> Sabbatini,o Maior pecado desse programas é dar Asa's ao HL7 e a
> interoperabilidade sintatica, poderoso lobby das empresas de software
> Americans, que acham que tudo se resolve com perfis IHE. Isto está
> contaminant grandes nomes da informatica em Saude nacionais, que advogam o
> CDA, CCD, CCR or whatever to be a solucao para interoperabilidade enter site
> as de informação clinica. Nao ë a toa que surgiu, nos EUA, a inicio ativo
> CIMI e FHIR, dentro do HL7 fresh look.
> Nao compremos gatos por lebres! Nosso papel como Sociedade ë trazer as
> ultimas tendencias do mundo para nosso Pais, como arautos do desenvolvimento
> eso fazer o Pais o destino d
>
> Enviado via iPad
>
> Em Oct 13, 2012, às 1:06 PM, "Renato M.E. Sabbatini, PhD"
> <listas@edumed.org.br> escreveu:
>
> Resumo: Quatro poderosos congressistas republicados dos EUA enviaram uma
> carta ao Secretario de Saúde do governo federal, solicitando a suspensão de
> pagamentos de incentivos econômicos do programa chamado Meaningful Use (uso
> significativo), que destina mais de 40.000 dólares por médico para clinicas
> e hospitais que implementarem registros eletrônicos de saúde e atingirem
> determinadas metas em prazos definidos. Segundo os congressistas, ainda não
> são adotados padrões em nível que permita a interoperabilidade entre os
> prestadores de serviços de atenção a saúde, principalmente entre os que
> atendem o Medicare, uma espécie de SUS americano, que tem um orçamento de
> mais de 500 bilhões de dólares. O gigantesco programa MEDITECH lançado nesse
> sentido pelo Barack Obama parece ter muitos benefícios, porém as metas são
> consideradas muito pouco ambiciosas pelos congressistas, e o dinheiro dos
> contribuintes está sendo desperdiçado. Inclusive o objetivo inicial, de
> tornar o Medicare mais racional e menos custoso, está sendo invertido, pois
> existem evidências que os PEPs inflam os custos, através do corte-e-cola e
> fraudes eletrônicas.
>
> Resumo por Dr; Renato M.E. Sabbatini
> Fonte: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/772520
>
> ---------------------------
>
> House GOP Urges Halt to EHR Bonuses
>
>
> October 11, 2012 — Federal bonuses for "meaningful use" of electronic health
> records (EHRs) have become a political football, with House Republicans
> calling for their immediate suspension and healthcare groups rising to their
> defense.
>
> Last week, 4 powerful House Republicans told US Department of Health and
> Human Services (HHS) Secretary Kathleen Sebelius in a letter that
> "insufficient standards" for EHR meaningful use have left physicians and
> other providers with systems that cannot "talk with one another." They urged
> Sebelius to suspend incentive payments until HHS issues "universal
> interoperable standards" and to otherwise raise the bar for physicians to
> receive the cash bonus.
>
> Without such changes, they write, the nation will have "a less efficient
> system that squanders taxpayer dollars and does little, if anything, to
> improve outcomes for Medicare."
>
> The congressmen signing the letter were Dave Camp (R-MI), chair of the House
> Ways and Means Committee; Wally Herger (R-CA), chair of the Ways and Means
> Subcommittee on Health; Fred Upton (R-MI), chair of the House Energy and
> Commerce Committee; and Joe Pitts (R-PA), chair of the Energy and Commerce
> Subcommittee on Health.
>
> The incentive program, launched last year by the Centers for Medicare and
> Medicaid Services (CMS), awards up to $44,000 under Medicare or up to
> $64,000 under Medicaid to clinicians who use EHRs in specified ways to
> improve and streamline patient care. In 2015, Medicare will begin to
> penalize physicians who fail to meet meaningful-use standards, which are
> supposed to become more and more challenging over time.
>
> The Republican criticism of the incentive program centers on the so-called
> Stage 2 rules, or standards, which take effect in 2014. These rules
> represent only a slight escalation of the Stage 1 rules now in place,
> according to the congressmen. For example, under Stage 1, physicians must
> electronically transmit at least 40% of their prescriptions to pharmacies as
> part of qualifying for the bonus. Stage 2 standards raise that threshold to
> 50%, which the congressmen call "woefully inadequate."
>
> They note in their letter that the proposed Stage 1 rules released in 2009
> had called for a far higher threshold — 75% — right off the bat. "This is
> but one example of how the Stage 2 rules ask less of providers and do less
> for program efficiency," they write.
>
> The GOP congressmen said the incentive program "appears to be doing more
> harm than good," citing a recentNew York Times story that detailed how EHRs
> made it easier for hospitals and physicians to inflate their Medicare bills
> at taxpayers' expense.
>
> Healthcare Still "Trapped in Information Silos"
>
> More than anything, though, the congressmen complained that the Stage 2
> rules do not do enough to make different EHR systems more interoperable;
> that is, able to freely exchange information. Instead, "our healthcare
> system [remains] trapped in information silos, much like it was before the
> incentive payments." They said that although Stage 1 rules require
> physicians to test whether their EHR systems can swap data with other
> systems, the Stage 2 rules do not.
>
> "It is safe to say that we are no closer to interoperability in spite of
> nearly $10 billion [in incentive cash] spent," wrote the Republican House
> leaders.
>
> Their letter of discontent came a day after the release of a survey showing
> that more than 70% of physicians using EHRs view the lack of
> interoperability or an information exchange network — as well as the cost of
> this technology — as a major barrier to sharing data. The survey was
> conducted on behalf of a group called Doctors Helping Doctors Transform
> Health Care. The American College of Physicians (ACP) played a major role in
> developing the survey, fielding it, and analyzing the results.
>
> In their letter, the congressmen appear to overlook a provision in the Stage
> 2 rules that resembles the interoperability testing requirement in its
> predecessor. The Stage 1 rules have a stand-alone requirement for providers
> to conduct at least one test of electronically transmitting patient data —
> it could be for a fictional patient — to another provider's EHR. This
> requirement, as such, did not migrate to Stage 2. However, Stage 2 does
> mandate a similar test — in this case, with a CMS-designated test EHR — if a
> provider does not pull off at least one data swap with a provider using a
> different kind of system.
>
> This test option is part of a Stage 2 requirement for the sharing of
> "summary of care" documents. It states that a physician must electronically
> transmit a care summary to other providers for more than 10% of patients who
> are referred elsewhere or shifted into a new care setting, such as a nursing
> home (the congressmen called this threshold too low). A physician satisfies
> this standard whether or not the other provider uses the same EHR system.
> For the sake of promoting true interoperability, CMS added an additional
> requirement for either a single, real-life transmission of a care summary to
> a provider with a different HER or the test with a dummy EHR, the agency
> explained in its published regulations.
>
> "The Incentives Are Working"
>
> The letter from the GOP congressmen provoked a rebuttal the next day from
> the Healthcare Information and Management Systems Society (HIMSS), a large
> trade organization for professionals and vendors in that field.
>
> In a press release, HIMSS stated that it opposes suspending meaningful-use
> incentive payments until HHS issues universal interoperability standards.
> The group said the Stage 2 rules move "the nation definitely towards
> interoperability."
>
> "There are clear indicators that the incentives are working," HIMSS stated.
>
> The ACP challenges the House Republican letter as well. Michael Barr, MD,
> MBA, who directs the ACP's division of medical practice, professionalism,
> and quality, said that if meaningful-use bonuses are suspended, "the
> [incentive] program would lose momentum" and the switch to EHRs would stall
> for some physicians.
>
> Contrary to what the Republican congressmen assert, "there is a lot in Stage
> 2 that will try to solve these interoperability issues," Dr. Barr told
> Medscape Medical News. One example, he said, was the requirement for
> physicians to electronically transmit a care summary for more than 10% of
> patients sent to a new provider or care setting.
>
> Dr. Barr also took issue with the allegation raised by the New York Times
> and other media outlets that physicians are exploiting the documentation and
> coding power of EHRs to overcharge Medicare.
>
> "I don't know what percentage is potentially fraud or not," said Dr. Barr.
> "The ACP is against any kind of fraudulent billing. But as the history goes,
> EHRs have helped physicians document more thoroughly." This, in turn, leads
> to the selection of more appropriate billing codes.
>
> "What we emphasize," he said, "is appropriate coding for appropriate
> documentation for the benefit of care."
>
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